Thursday, March 1, 2018

Discussion n. 12. L'EMIGRANTE Due March 5

Would you have noticed the critique of American society in L'emigrante without the introductory lecture?

Did the critique rise to the level of anti-Americanism?


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18 comments:

  1. No, I wouldn't say that I directly noticed the critique of American society in L'emigrante without the introductory lecture.
    I don't think that the critique rises to the level of anti-Americanism but rather touches on the mindset of many Americans during that time as well as what was happening during that time in America. I think it is more truth of America as opposed to being anti-American. I think that it would only be anti-American if the truths were exaggerated in the film.

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    1. Hello Amanda,

      I disagree I believe some scenes we're over exaggerated in the film. It was a comedy, it was meant to be over exaggerated in some scenes. Since this movie was Italian they're obviously going to make fun of Americans in the 1970s.

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    2. I'm going to have to say I disagree because I believe almost every character and incident was highly exaggerated in this movie and it did seem anti-American. And even if the ways of the Americans were shown accurately and not exaggerated, but by only showing one side i.e. the bad side, even if true, the film comes off as anti-American.

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    3. Likewise, I disagree with the idea that the anti-American depiction was not exaggerated. It may not have gone as far as the comedic qualities did, but there was certainly an emphasis on some loudness and carelessness in their characteristics.

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  2. Yes, I would notice the critique of American society because of the actor Rosita. She gives off the American vibe of being care free and spontaneous and living life to the fullest. Therefore, I believe I would have noticed the critique.

    I believe the critique did rise to the level of anti-Americanism because whenever American's we're shown in the movie they we're shown as loud, ignorant, and arrogant people. For example, the scene when Peppino is on the bench in the park taking a rest and the Americans in the car circle him telling him to wake up and keep yelling loudly. I believe this scene made American's look bad in some sense.

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    1. Hi Annie,
      I will disagree with you that since the movie is Italian so they would portray Americans like that. I think it was pretty much the reality at that time. Of course there was some fun element but you cannot distort history.
      Thanks.

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    2. Hi Annie,
      I disagree with you that the film was anti-American. As you said in your reply to my comment some of the scenes were over exaggerated because it was a comedy.However, I don't think that, that makes it anti-American. I believe that this was only an exaggeration of what the truth was about Americans at that time.

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  3. No, I wouldn't say that I have directly noticed the critique of American society in L'emigrante without the introductory lecture.
    The reality at that time was different and the history isn't distorted. Perhaps many Americans realize that the circumstances then were different from now then at that point.

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  4. I think I would have noticed the critique of the American society in the film even without the introductory lecture. In L'emigrante they clearly only show the negative stereotype of Americans, being careless thrill seekers, who are entirely in the dark about real and serious matters.

    The movie does seem to be anti-American in nature because, in the film, Americans are shown as care free, ignorant and thoughtless, without sympathy for fellow humans. The scene where the Americans wake up Peppino who is sleeping on a bench by screaming and spiking wine on him shows this as well as the scene where he sits on a plank and they throw balls at him till he falls into the pool of water. These both show how they only care about enjoying themselves even if it be at the expense of others. Also the character Pamela seems to be the embodiment of the upper class Americans, showing how ignorant they are to the world around them while they are having fun. However, the movie seems anti-Italian too, showing them as violent criminals. They are also shown as shoe shiners as owners of pizza places. It also portrays the African Americans as maids, shoe shiners, and criminals in jail. All in all the movie was full of stereotypes, but that could be expected as most comedies are.

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    1. I see your point, however its 2018 and there are still Americans who look down on immigrants, Ie. the president. For example, there are people who are against Syrians migrating to the states even though they are running from a war. In my opinion the film shows the American mindset at the time.

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  5. To a certain extent, I may have noticed the critique without the introduction, though not as deeply as the introduction covers.
    I feel that the critique did rise to the level of anti-American. Many exaggerations were present, namely the comedic aspect of several characters. With that, there's also an exaggeration in the depiction of some Americans and their loud presence, which was in turn a negative depiction.

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    1. Henry,
      But was it really a negative depiction? Did the Americans turn it into something bigger?

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  6. Without watching the introductory lecture, I don’t think I would’ve noticed the critique against the American lifestyle in Le’emigrante.
    I think the time that this film was made was very different than what we see or feel today. I don’t think the film is against Americans but is portraying the mindset of people during this time towards immigrants.

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    1. I do not agree, I felt the hatred towards the Americans throughout the film. The Americans were shown as loud and carefree people who did not care about others. I did not feel that they were shown as individuals but more as a stereotypical group of people.

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  7. I noticed the critique of the American society in the film right away without the introduction. This was because there were many scenes showing Americans being the stereotypical, internally dark people.

    I believe the critique did rise to the level of Anti-Americanism because there were many scenes showing the stereotypical Americans being these loudly obnoxious people. The Americans are seen as carefree people who do not care about anyone else but themselves. The movie portrays Americans to be people with hatred towards people who are not from America.

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    1. I do not view Americans as being "internally dark people, therefore i would not have realized the critique of the film without the introductory lecture. To depict the stereotypical aspects of a particular culture, the stereotypes that are being shown should be those that are known for most people. If the film depicted Americans with the theme of "the American dream" I would have been able to realize the critique, but not with this aspect of internally dark people.

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  8. I would have not have noticed the critique against the American lifestyle without the lecture. I am not that observant and I was able to look for it after I had an idea about what to expect. I may have not noticed because of being biased.

    I would not say it is anti-American, but I would agree that this is the mindset of Americans.

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  9. I do not think that I would have noticed the critique of the American society in L’emigrante without the introductory lecture. I say this because is comedic films, the message or one of the messages, is often surpassed by the comedy that is presented. The history of that time period is different from that of which was the reality. Comedic films tend to portray the history, not really the reality of the environment.

    I do not think that the critique rises to the level of anti-Americanism because it does not reach certain aspects that are typically associated with this critique. During that time, the viewpoints of Americans differed from the viewpoints that we find in todays’ world. The film does not depict these aspects to their fullest.

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